do you remember the rental car ad a few years back that proclaimed proudly, “we’re #2, so we try harder!”?
well the car rental place we used when we went to michigan and got our recent parking ticket might consider using the above slogan from now on. i don’t know if they are #3 or not, but they have sure managed to help us in all the wrong ways.
before i vent and rant, i should point out that this is completely not their fault. i 100% understand why they did what they did. but i’m still itching with frustration, and like the good blogger i am, i thought i’d share my frustration with all of you
yesterday we (i) got a letter in the mail from the rental company letting me know that they very helpfully went ahead and paid the parking ticket we received in michigan. for the convenience of this service they have provided to us (me), they will be billing our credit card an $18 service fee, in addition to the $115 charge for the full price of the original parking ticket.
i promptly called them, .05 nanoseconds after opening the letter, to let them know that a) this ticket is being disputed with the city that issued it; b) the city has already agreed to accept $50, so at the VERY least, EVEN IF they don’t dismiss the ticket, which is clearly what i am hoping for, we will only owe them $50 and not $115; c) the city was supposed to be sending us out a response to my second letter on 9/28/2012, so we should be hearing from them literally any day; and d) i am happy to provide the rental company with documentation for all of this.
alas, although the rental company customer service representative was so sorry to hear all of this, and he could really sympathize with my plight, they had already paid this ticket, so there really wasn’t anything they could do. however, they will not be billing my credit card for 15 days, so in theory, if i can get the city to issue a refund of the money within that time, my credit card will not be billed.
so- i can:
a) call my credit card company and tell them i do not authorize the car rental company to put through additional charges, thus perhaps creating yet another miserable storm of letter-writing and threats aimed my way…
b) call the city every single day and beg and plead with them and say the exact same thing to them, realizing that now that they have been paid in full, they have absolutely NO incentive whatsoever so do the right thing. as in, none at all. i explained this to the car rental company, and the guy was like, oh well…
c) call the car rental place and bump my way up the food chain until i find someone who might be willing to see if they can get a refund from the city, which will probably never happen. in the meantime, i need to find a friend back home to go and take photos of the place we parked to show there are no signs so we can start sending off pictures to everyone because even though the clerk at the court knows there are no signs, obviously the car rental place doesn’t know that and neither does my credit card company…
so, what’s the question here? is my time worth more than $115? obviously not, because i hate letting stuff like this go. i hate seeing people get walked over just because they don’t know how to write a well-worded letter or make an articulate phone call. i can’t stand when people feel so beaten down by The System that they say, “it’s only money…” when they don’t really mean it and they can’t really afford it and it’s not really only money.
because it’s feeling like a chump. it’s feeling taken advantage of. it’s feeling screwed.
some people can just let stuff slide off their backs and they pay the ticket and they say, “ok, that was part of the cost of our vacation.” and they really mean it and they never think about it again and it’s done.
but i know i’d feel victimized again and again. every time my credit card statement would come, and i’d know part of the balance was from this ticket, i would just get steamed up.
yes, i know cities are strapped for cash, but so are most families.
$115 can buy a lot of groceries.
personally, i’d rather have some breathing room in our monthly budget than know that i’m paying for extra patrols to write more stupid tickets to generate more revenue for a city that wastes dollars in such a dumb way.
i’d rather write more checks to more charities than write a check to a credit card company because this rental car company was “helping us out” by paying the ticket.
(yes, i know that they weren’t really helping me. i know they were really helping themselves. i know that they need to avoid the cars in their fleets getting booted or impounded or whatever by having unpaid tickets on their vehicles. and i get that people who rent cars can be irresponsible about how they treat the rentals. points taken. but as i said, this is my rant, so let’s set that all aside for a few minutes…)
anyhow, this is the latest chapter in the apparently ongoing ticket saga. who knew that this would be a multi-chapter affair?
meanwhile, i’m #4, so i’m gonna try harder to remain patient and calm in spite of the irrationality flying around me
wish me luck…
and feel free to offer advice!
Sep 30, 2012 @ 19:51:54
Best of luck, I too tilt at the occasional windmill, am in complete sympathy with you, hope you win this little battle.
Sep 30, 2012 @ 20:11:02
The rental car company was in the wrong to pay the parking ticket without your authorization, so my suggestion is that you send them a certified letter rejecting their charge plus the extra fee, with a copy to your credit card company instructing them to NOT accept the charge, thus bucking the responsibility back to whoever the person was who made the payment.
Laws and policies differ in various states but deputy clerks and/or the clerk of the court surely can’t waive or reduce the parking ticket fee. That could only be the judge, I bet. If you personally appear in court with your photos, a fair judge would dismiss the case and these days some testimony is taken by telephone or video. Or you could countersue the city and ticket issuer but agsin, you would need to be on premises. A further problem is if this is a conscious scam by the bureaucrats, especially with regard to out of state people who simply cannot afford to appear in court, whom they know are defeated in advance as easy prey to augment their coffers.
You’ve raised a very interesting problem which sure offers some opportunities for creative action. Good luck!
Sep 30, 2012 @ 20:41:40
let the rental company know that you have posted this in your blog and that ALL OF FACEBOOK will see it. that might prompt them to avoid some bad publicity. make sure they know you have NOT named them, but if they don’t “do the right thing,” their name will be plastered all over F/B.
Sep 30, 2012 @ 20:42:26
At the very least send both the city and the car rental agency links to your blog. Identify the car rental company by name (I don’t remember if you already did that or not), continue to add to the ongoing dialog, and do some good old-fashioned ‘negative advertising’ for them. I’m sharing the Facebook post! Good luck with this – keep us posted.
Sep 30, 2012 @ 20:55:50
My name is Juliette and I approve this message and the comments that I read here!
Totally agree, don’t let them push you into something that you didn’t even give permission for. It is not the rental car company’s place to pay a driver’s ticket. You are the one that parked the car and the city is the one that ticketed it, not the rental car company.
Keep up the fight for what’s right.
I’m sharing this on my fb page as well!
Oct 01, 2012 @ 02:58:02
TOTALLY scummy for the city to bogusly ticket a rental car in an unmarked spot; maybe they already KNEW the rental car company would pay with YOUR credit card. Collusion? Smells fishy to me. I’m not an FBer but seems a good place to clean the fish !
Oct 01, 2012 @ 06:02:32
I truely understand. Enterprise billed me to secure a truck that I desperately needed to move a valuable family piece, then the day of the move – A. told me they didn’t have the truck, but I could have a Prius for twice as much. B. Told me they couldn’t accept my credit card. C. Charged me for not showing up on time (I had to wait 2 hours to be waited on – they said I was late for pick-up!). Enterprise stinks!
Oct 02, 2012 @ 23:01:37
oh, man- my problem wasn’t with enterprise, but it seems that bad customer service is pretty common…
Oct 02, 2012 @ 23:02:15
gosh- that makes me wonder! yet another level to keep me up at night… sigh…
Oct 02, 2012 @ 23:03:55
thank you! according to the letter from the rental company, i agreed when i rented the car to pay for any charges i incurred. while this is plausible, i think i most certainly need to request a copy of this fine print with my supposed signature on it before this gets any more out of hand…
Oct 02, 2012 @ 23:06:44
i haven’t yet shared their name, because as i said, i understand that they have perfectly understandable reasons- in most cases- to want to protect their fleet from deadbeat types who just want to rent a car and get lots of tickets or tolls or whatever and then not pay. but this is not most cases and they have removed my leverage with the city. so, let’s hope all comes out right in the end…
Oct 02, 2012 @ 23:08:06
hahahaha- i think you vastly overestimate my reach, but i love it! i hope they will do the right thing without threats, but you never know what you never know, right? thanks for the vote of confidence!
Oct 02, 2012 @ 23:15:18
yes- it was a magistrate who lowered the fee, and i appealed that decision to have the ticket thrown out altogether.
as far as authorization for the rental car company to pay fees on my behalf, they claim that they get authorization when you sign to rent the car. this may or may not be true, but you can bet i will be requesting that they send me proof with my signature ASAP before we proceed any further. it is entirely plausible that this is indeed in the small print, that i agreed to pay tolls or other fees incurred (fully expecting that as a law-abiding citizen of course i would pay whatever i was legally responsible to pay)- never forseeing this sort of mess… i guess we’ll see from there…
and yes, the next logical step would be to get in contact with my credit card company and tell them that the rental company is not authorized to make any additional charges…
thanks for the good wishes and the good advice!
Oct 02, 2012 @ 23:15:31
thank you!
Oct 03, 2012 @ 05:03:36
aaaaaaaaaaaaargh! it is the “out-of-state” driver who very obviously will NOT come back to fight any tickets …. who gets nailed at every opportunity! i fought a bogus ticket out of kansas years ago; THOUGHT it had been resolved/dismissed …. only to find out at a much later date that it had NOT, and that there was a bench warrant out for me and i could NOT renew my driver’s license in colorado!!! go figure! it was a mess.
if it were me? the very first thing i WOULD do – would be to contact my credit card company to put a hold on any charges. and if the rental agency objects to that – inform them that they will be reimbursed IF and WHEN and for whatever amount is agreed upon when it is cleared up by the courts. {if you end up settling for the $50 – that’s what they’ll get – becuz they jumped the gun while you were in the process of working this out; if it gets dismissed – it is on their shoulders to seek the refund if they want it}.
hang in there …… you’re doing all the right steps …. in contacting the municipality in a timely manner, etc
Oct 03, 2012 @ 17:03:21
yep- i’m about to post the next chapter, so stay tuned…
Oct 03, 2012 @ 22:11:46
They really blew it for you. The city, no doubt, will treat the payment as some kind of admission of guilt. You’re also up against Ferengi Rule of Acquisition #1:
Oct 03, 2012 @ 22:17:16
Yet another reason I’m not a contractarian.
Oct 04, 2012 @ 12:50:32
HAH! i’ve missed you on the blog, but i’m so happy to see you back!
Oct 04, 2012 @ 13:00:50
ok, i love the rules almost as much as i love that you have this knowledge at your fingertips. there are many times i think about just turning over control of this blog to you; this is one of them
Oct 05, 2012 @ 03:15:51
Heard you were gonna be back in Detroit, was tempted to invite you over, but house is a mess, too embarrassed. Best fishes.
Oct 05, 2012 @ 21:14:25
hahahaha- i was gonna try to see if you and j wanted to meet up for coffee or something, but time got away from me- what with racking up tickets for illegal parking and all
seriously, would have been nice to meet you both, so maybe next time?