on our recent visit to michigan, we had the following scenario. see if you can spot the ticket-able offense. if you can, you may qualify for a job in the state of michigan:
we went to dunkin donuts. we ordered lots of yummy stuff. we got in the rental car and drove to the house where we were staying. we parked in front of the house. we unloaded our suitcases and our donuts. we brought out stuff into the house. we locked the car. we ate and went to bed.
do you need to read the paragraph a second time?
apparently in certain places in certain neighborhoods on certain sides of the street, WHICH ARE NOT MARKED IN ANY WAY, you cannot park on the street overnight. well blow me down.
because if there are no signs and nothing posted, it’s like, who knew?
so we accidentally parked in the black hole of no parking- but it’s only no parking between like 3 am and 6 am or 4:18 am and 6 am or something- so when normal regular people (like us), who don’t keep party live hours park their cars, there are plenty of people parked on the street.
and then after all the old tourist folks (us) are tucked safely in their beds, all these people who are in the loop of secret knowledge tiptoe out and move their cars and teeheehee giggle their stealthy selves back into their snug little house, safe in the appropriate parking places (i.e. driveways only- who knew?)…
but then the ticketing force comes out in their silent patrols looking for people who can’t see markings on pavement that don’t exist and don’t read runes that aren’t there and haven’t yet learned to feel vibrations on a breeze that would warn then of impending parking doom.
and they ticketed our rental car.
so, we did what all rational people would do and we wrote a letter to the city, calmly explaining that we don’t live in that city and had no way of know that we couldn’t park there overnight since there were no signs anywhere. like, anywhere. at all.
it wasn’t a big flowery letter, because they are busy and because the idea was pretty straightforward. maybe their sign fell down, or the paint on the road wore off, so we were letting them know that, as of now, there is no indication that you can’t park there so they really should dismiss this ticket. fair all around, right?
well, lucky guys that we are, we fairly promptly received a default judgement against us (?), but with the kind stipulation that if we paid the ticket before a certain date, they would allow us to only pay half the penalty.
so- just so we are all on the same page here- we parked in a perfectly legit spot, got a totally unfair ticket, and they are making us an offer that we can still pay half of an undeserved ticket. humph.
ok. letter #2. still trying to be nice and patient, when all i want to do is scream: “DIDN’T YOU READ THE FIRST LETTER? WHAT DIDN’T YOU UNDERSTAND?”
i’ll tell you what they understand. they understand that we are out of state, and the odds are slim that we will come into town to fight over a stupid parking ticket.
they understand that people are busy and that a certain percentage of them will just pay these tickets just to not be bothered by having to play kissyface with a court that seems to spit out form letters but not read what you send them.
they understand that i can’t walk over to that spot and take photos (ah, but i have friends who can!) and barrage them with “evidence” (how ridiculous over a parking ticket! especially one where they know good and well they have no signs posted!)…
so, we are awaiting a response on letter #2. we are hoping this is not one of those times where they choose to just escalate consequences on us because we are out of town and they hope we will cave.
i used to feel energized by things like this, but right now i’m tired.
this isn’t even fighting the good fight; this is just dumb.
if they want a 2 hour window where people don’t park on one side of the street (for what possible reason? who even can fathom???) in one part of one neighborhood, then by all means, post a sign.
that’s it. no harm, no foul.
i’m sure that reasonable people seek to comply with reasonable requests.
but this is just crazy.
what’s been going on in your lives?
Sep 27, 2012 @ 11:32:45
I’m guessing you were in a college town like Lansing. I’ve visited friends there and seen what you describe. Apparently, it’s an effort to keep the college kids from having all-night parties or too many roommates or something. Hope you win!
Sep 27, 2012 @ 11:39:19
Keep a log of the time you spend dealing with this inanity. When you win the appeal – and surely you must???!!??! – ask them for compensation for the time spent on it. Take them to a small claims court if they refuse to compensate you for their inanity. I think you can do it by post, and it is a nominal amount to put in a claim. Really, if more people don’t stand up to stupidity like this, imagine what the world will become!
Sep 27, 2012 @ 11:40:14
I live in Michigan (and would be glad to take some photos for you) and have the same lame law, here in my town. I lived here 9 years, there is one sign that I know of; it’s on the main highway as you’re entering town, in a 55mph zone, unlit by anything other than the hotel a quarter of a mile up the road, and is approximately the same size sign as a “do not pass” that you see from time to time. Blink, and you’ve missed it. Other than that, there is no other sign that I know of anywhere in town….and I’m pretty observant to rules of the road (I’m 50 years old, and have never gotten a ticket–even one I had to fight off, which is pretty good considering that I spent 41 years (15 of them legal driving age) in the heart of the city of Chicago.
Fight it. Send a letter with a ficticious lawyer letterhead as if you were being represented by a firm. Usually, one letter than they’re done. Small towns also don’t have the money to fight the legal system, or to purchase more than one sign. Especially in a broke state, like Michigan.
Sep 27, 2012 @ 11:44:46
My hubby is going through a similar thing, we got a letter in the mail alleging a parking ticket – for a city we’ve never visited…and they got the make of the car wrong, – sent a letter – now we got a notice of delinquency……how frustrating for a city we didn’t visit….even when we pointed out the errors on the ticket!
Sep 27, 2012 @ 11:46:40
Unfortunately, I think this is common in some places – AFAIK it’s so roads can be plowed more efficiently in the winter. It’s just generally known by residents(and often posted at the city limits though not elsewhere) that you can park on X side of the street on odd numbered days and Y side of the street on even numbered days. That said, I also know of municipalities (ours!) where rental cars and out of province cars get a friendly note (“Hey – we know you didn’t mean to break the law, but you did, so here’s your notice and have a great trip!”). Hope they stop being jerks.
Sep 27, 2012 @ 12:31:24
I really doubt this is worth any more of your time. “Ignorance of the law” and all that. In this economy, cities are raising money any way they can. Consider it a donation to the city for a lovely vacation, and get on with your life. There is no winning this one.
Sep 27, 2012 @ 12:36:58
This ranks right up there with the speeding ticket Doug got in Oak Park for 0-5 over that was$65 plus $40 state fee? Plus $20 building fund??? Followed up by a letter from the state offering him a “not more than $100 class” to erase points from his record. We wonder what they can teach you about driving 0-5 over the speed limit.
Sep 27, 2012 @ 12:54:23
i guess they can teach you that all cities are cash strapped, huh???
Sep 27, 2012 @ 12:55:03
ah, yes- if only i wasn’t so hung up on the principle of the thing…
Sep 27, 2012 @ 12:57:51
thx- just one more reason to wish the U.S. was as nice as canada, eh?
Sep 27, 2012 @ 12:58:08
Sep 27, 2012 @ 13:01:52
whoa- we had this once for an accident we never got into, for a city we were never in, for a car we never owned, just because the driver’s name was the same as *h’s. they had different birthdates, though, but we still had to prove up a bunch of info- and how hard is it to prove you were not somewhere? so i would have conversations where the insurance compnay would say, are you sure you don’t drive a whatever? and i would say, yep- i’m looking at it right now… and they would say are you sure it’s not green? and i would say, absolutely not- i’m looking at it right now… very frustrating indeed…
Sep 27, 2012 @ 13:02:47
thanks for the offer! hope i don’t have to take you up on it, but i love your spirit!
Sep 27, 2012 @ 13:03:55
ya- it might turn into a place where they try to stop people from even growing their own food! oh, wait… (hahahahaha)
Sep 27, 2012 @ 13:04:47
oddly, this was just a regular old family town without a college in sight… but thanks for the good wishes!
Sep 27, 2012 @ 16:08:12
Chin up and keep fighting. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, some people leave their brains at the door when the take an office where they can make and enforce rules. You’d think that they could tell that it was a rental car. Not to mention they have your address and info and you are from out of state. Duh. OH, but wait, that would require thinking, which you can’t do without a brain.
I always love your blogs! So fun to read and so open and honest. I have been reading so many interesting blogs, I’m tempted to start my own and get back into the writing that I did before I had kids! We’ll see.
Take courage! We’re all behind you still!
Sep 27, 2012 @ 16:27:51
I’m sure there’s an answer to this question. Just can’t think of one.
Why didn’t your hosts tell you where to park legally — not in front of their own house? Kind of a Golden Rule type deal.
Julie — I certainly would have done that for you! And you for me, I bet.
Sep 27, 2012 @ 16:29:30
what awesome comments- thanks! i love the writing, and when i don’t write for a while, i really do miss it. so i say go for the blog! what do you have to lose?
Sep 27, 2012 @ 19:10:37
It’s East Lansing that is the college town and THEY have parking marked to the hilt.They even have 24 hr meter readers BECAUSE parking tickets are such lucrative business..but no one can say they don’t warn you about it..every 3 ft.In Lansing the “reason” for no parking over night is easy to grasp in winter but in off months it becomes quite odd.Once in a while….you’ll see a machine cleaning the side streets in front of houses but it is a VERY rare thing.Of course…there are always the ones who manage to escape detection and will park their SEMIS on the street ..sometimes for 2-3 days running and yet…our Lansing police can’t “see” them but then they’ll catch some guy who is like Julie and parking there ONCE..over night….and out comes the ticket book.
Do you have any friends who can make the appearance in court on your behalf?If they can show pictures that make it clear that there was NO way for you to know that parking wasn’t allowed..either because a sign has been removed(your BEST shot) OR because the sign was not anywhere near where you were parked…you’ve got a shot.Dealling with the asshats at the counter…pointless.They can’t..or WON’T stick their necks out to do anything that makes sense.
Sep 28, 2012 @ 16:53:22
ya- the funny thing is that there is no sign- and there never was. the people in the court actually know that there aren’t signs in this neighborhood, so you would think it would be pretty straightforward, right??? but i really think they play the odds that most people will not want to fight about it long distance and when then make the offer to allow you to only pay 1/2 the fine, you will jump at the chance (hurray! a bargain!)… oh well, another hobby…
Sep 28, 2012 @ 18:16:36
Is this another of those cities that post parking regulations on the outskirts of town so as you enter..you’re expected to “note” what the regs are?Even if it is..I REALLY believe it could be challenged.If the city is so disinterested in properly posting..why on earth should ANYONE pay them for such nonsense?I guess we’re ALL expected to check in and call the police to find out what the parking regs are?Yeah..I can REALLY see something like THAT working.